I wrote a blog at the start of last season on whether we should sell RvP or give him a huge fat new contract. Here we are 10 months later and it looks as though he’s going to force the issue now, so here’s an update.
RvP claimed to be far too busy all season with as many as two 90 minute matches every seven days to be even thinking about a new contract, it wouldn’t have been the right time. So now we’re in another Nasri situation: a major player with one year left on his deal. So we have the usual options:
- he gets offered a fortune to stay and accepts
- another club offers him a fortune and he leaves
- he says he’s happy to stay, but won’t sign an extension, so the club either push him out or accept he goes on a Bosman at the end of the contract
- or lastly, he says he loves Arsenal so much he’d happily play for nothing – forget the wage increase, he’ll stay for the same money for as long as he’s wanted! (I’m going to rule this one out on the basis that his agent is Darren Dein.)
None of the first three is great from the supporters’ point of view, and all have a cost of one sort or another. For top players these days the costs are measured in millions or tens of millions. Back in September last year I put this question out on Twitter:
If Van Persie signs a 4-year deal at £180k a week, his salary payments over the term of that contract total just under £37.5 million.Given that he will be 32 (almost 33) by the end of it, which for a forward is pretty much the end of a top level career, his resale value will be negligible. So is he worth the £37.5m?
Overall the majority of answers back in September said, Yes, he’s worth it.
Some said: For someone of his age, no it’s not worth it.
Others said Arsenal will never pay that much so it’s a pointless question.
One or two pointed out that RvP staying could persuade others to stay, so pay it on that basis.
And quite a few said if he gives £37m of value in trophies then it’s worth it, particularly as a replacement would probably cost more.
Someone did dispute my ‘worthless at 32’ valuation, but if anyone can tell me a striker of that age who has been sold for more than a couple of million I’d be very surprised.
I’ll come back to those last two points.
So how do you judge the value? You can make a general comparison with other players, but essentially there are so many different factors of age, experience, perceived quality, fitness, desire and ambition, etc, that each player’s case can only be taken individually.
So in RvP’s case the factors in no particular order are:
The sheer amount of money – first you have to get past what a huge sum £37.5m is for four years running around a football pitch. Nobody needs that amount of money. Some will always think it’s an obscene wage when even in the UK pensioners freeze to death in winter because they can’t afford both food and heating. But if you can get past that, then the questions are: how does that compare to his peers and can the club afford it.
The fact is the richest clubs now pay those levels, and Van Persie is currently ranked high in the top 10 of the Castrol Rankings of all players in Europe’s top five leagues. On that basis it’s worth paying him that money.
Can Arsenal afford it? Yes, if they want to. They can’t afford to pay everyone that amount, but they could pay it to their biggest earner. It would mean a change to Arsène’s pay structure (ie stopping the practice of paying for potential or paying for squad harmony and moving to saving money on the youngsters and water carriers), but it could be done.
Age – four years is standard when renewing contracts, though (pre-Arteta) Arsène has always done things differently with players in their late twenties, of course. Last year I’d have bet that RvP was being offered four years, which was of course only two extra years at the time. Maybe now it would only be 3 years on the table. Either way, by the end of that time he’s not going to go to another top club and win trophies or get the same money. This is his last big contract in every respect. On the club’s side, they will not be making much from a sale at the age of 32 or 33. Essentially they are writing their asset value down to zero over the contract term. Is it worth close to £10m a year to fill one place in the team?
Injuries – I believe that injury-prone players will always be injury-prone. I’m also pretty sure that the minute RvP signed a new contract he would injure himself – probably by accidentally jabbing himself in the cruciate ligament with the pen he’d signed with. However expensive you consider wages of £9m a year, they’re a damn sight more expensive if you’re getting nothing in return. If clubs had any power at all they would insist on pay as you play contracts for the terminally injury-prone, but it won’t happen anytime soon. Still, Arsenal can point out the potential problem during negotiations – at which point RvP’s agent will point out that Man City couldn’t give a crap, they probably don’t even bother checking that a player has the standard number of functioning limbs any more, as long as they can hold a pen to sign. So is it worth paying a huge sum to someone who traditionally misses half your team’s matches with injuries?
Replacement – if your top striker leaves, you need a new striker. In RvP’s case, you can buy one of similar age and experience, buy a younger one, or just promote from within. Suppose RvP is sold for £30m – and it certainly won’t be more – if he’s replaced with someone of the same age, then as with Arteta the contract goes until the replacement is 33. It would be stupid to spend more than £15m on such a player, if the same level of wages are on offer – and if they’re not, then we won’t be attracting a player of similar quality.
Buying someone younger of the same quality would cost at least £30m, and again equivalent wages, but this is offset by resale value three years later. So probably increased outlay, but less write-off than retaining RvP.
But we know Arsène: he would prefer to buy someone unproven, or promote someone from the youth team. Much more cost effective.
Reputation – Arsenal’s reputation is now as a selling club. When you’re winning trophies the manager can do what he likes, but when the cabinet is empty everything is questioned. It’s got very hard to convince anyone that players have been adequately replaced since 2005.
Arsène’s ‘big club’ comments and hopeless misjudgement of the Cesc/Nasri situations came back to haunt him. Whether he’d get caught out again in the same way is only relevant from the point of view of having adequate time to get a replacement. What’s more important is whether the Board would let it happen, which will be governed by their perception of the consequences. If they think – as most fans do – that letting your best player go each year is ultimately bad for business because it affects retaining or attracting others, and thus in the end matches won and seats sold, then they should make damn sure that RvP either re-signs or they are prepared to pay big to really replace like with like.
Loyalty and desire – Cesc wanted to go home, but does RvP have the same desire to try his luck at a particular club? No. Does he want some medals to show for his career? I hope so. Will he get them if he stays? Right now it looks doubtful Arsenal can win one of the two big prizes in the next two or three years.
How strong is RvP’s loyalty to Arsenal or to his manager? Strong enough to override the desire for more money? Maybe. Strong enough to override the desire for more money and a better chance of medals? No. Personally I don’t think you can begrudge someone entering the last phase of their top level career the chance to win trophies.
So where does all that leave us? It left me scratching my head, so I made a table of how costs could work out depending on any of 10 options. I was obviously making estimates and assumptions on all these, such as how much replacements would cost and be paid, but I think it’s all reasonable, within a million or five. As time has moved on we can ignore the ‘Wages to 2012’ column, and to be honest I’d be surprised if we can sell him for anywhere near £30m. However, if we buy a younger replacement for whatever we get or even five million more it’s still good.
With wages, I’m assuming that if we pay Van Persie the market rate, to get someone of the same quality we’d have to pay the same money, otherwise they’d go to Man U, City, Chelsea, Barca or Madrid.
(NB: Figures don’t take into account agents ripping the club off. Let’s not overlook that whether RvP is sold, goes on a Bosman or signs a better contract at Arsenal, his agent is likely to pocket roughly the same amount as was raised last season by increased ticket prices.)
So in purely financial terms the obvious thing to do is what Wenger probably would do if forced to sell: replace RvP with someone unproven. But as usual with Arsène that is not replacing like with like, so a backlash would follow.
Most expensive is letting the player go on a Bosman and buying the same quality to replace, which is clearly why the manager’s arm was twisted over Nasri.
But we could potentially sell RvP now, buy a younger more expensive player to replace him, and still be quids in after another four years because of resale value.
So should we give RvP a huge pay rise and hold on to him till he retires? No. Even ignoring the large chance of further injuries, we should sell him and buy the world’s best 23 or 24-year old. Everyone’s a winner – RvP, the Board, Arsène, his agent – even you and me for once. If we accept the risk that a replacement fits into the team and lives up to whatever reputation he arrives with, that is.
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14 thoughts on “Should Arsenal sell RvP now?”
Get shot of him. No point keeping hold of him after his statement, the fans won’t be able to look at him in the same way. He better have some respect for the club and move abroad, after they helped make him what he is and stood by him, even rewarding him with the captain’s armband after being injured for so long.
If he stays at the club and keeps the captaincy, i’m going to find it very difficult watching Arsenal this year. Get what we can for him (hopefully in the region of £20m to re-invest on a top attacking midfielder), i’m convinced he won’t be anywhere near as good elsewhere and will regret leaving a club he was on the verge of becoming a legend at.
well said these comments are similar to mine from 3 weeks ago when the talks stalled. i was sure originally he would sign, but as time as past the writing as been on the wall. this is par tof the reason for AW bringing in a couple of good players early just incase this happened.
Ere we F*ckin go AGAIN, same old SH*T
People seem to be under the impression that we are losing 30million if we fail to sell RVP… I dont see it this way, we paid Feyenord in the region of 2.75 million for RVP. That is all we are losing.
Personally I think we should keep him to his contract, to allow Podolski and Giroud the benefit of a settling season. I think both these players will prove there worth, but it would be preferable not to lumber them with all the goal scoring pressure when their trying to settle.
Let RVP go next season for nothing. We aren’t out of pocket by much and if he contributes to a successful season it will be worth it. Also it allows us the leeway of strengthening in other areas for the remainder of this summer and we can concentrate on replacing RVP next summer.
Afaik Dein is not his agent, he has a Dutch agent called Vos, I think. Dein handles his commercial deals. For me the most important thing is the dressing room. I can only see him having a negative impact on the dressing room after his statement. Might not be conscious, but subconsciously there will be an effect.
I’d also find it difficult to support van Persie in an Arsenal shirt from now on.
Sell him now! End of… Totally agree with you John he is dead to me 1 good season no injurys and he holds the club to ransom what a joke get him out spend the money on players who want to be at our club
Keep him for his final year unless a foreign club offers really big money. I think he’s making a big mistake not signing on with us.
I don’t think he will be as much of a hit anymore because of his age, and how injury prone he is! But I feel we should sell him now, and replace him with a Creative Midfield, because Giroud OR Podolski are more than capable to fill the void RVP would have left, Giroud has this confidence and swagger about him that WILL make him a hit!!!
He just needs a creative midfielder to complement him with assist, because if you think about it, every great team has an attacking mid for creativity
Man city – Silva
Real Madrid – Ozil
Man U – Rooney
Sell Sell Sell. If Real want RVP, and Real don’t want Higuan I’d swap in a heartbeat.
Twist or stick…Walcott next.
Also Ivan Gazidis is NOT on holiday !
well where’s the loyalty in football this days. he’s done well but we atleast expected more. i say sell him, get huntela or any good striker or better still convert podolski to his position. i hope he doesn’t end up like the next alex hleb, flamini, greedybayor et all.
Time for him to go, today’s statement means he is no longer an Arsenal player. He should be sold to a side outside the Premiership. I also think it is time for Arsenal to work with Usmanov; by doing so no club could outbid us and Arsenal would become a mighty buying force.
I like RVP but if a player make such comments, sell him!…i see no point keeping him…The Arsenal official site’s story of the club’s decision 2 keep him for the rest of his 1year is ridiculous.
Sell!sell!sell! Now and fast
so we can reinvest into other players and prepare adequately for our pre season..
we the fans have a lot 2 tink abt?? Not dis 1.
PATO! Young international, much to prove, not in the Milan team regularly and a good player. It’s almost definitely beyond us.